Tuesday, June 09, 2009

New

When I was in my early- to mid-20s, I was in two different writing groups over the years, both of which had members decades older than I was. I walked in with my very (VERY!) dark noir stories, cowboy boots, and (in one group) baby, and generally received accolades. I can do noir. I could do it at 20. Heck, I could do it in my teens. That's what I wrote, gritty short stories of prostitutes and drug addicts and alcoholics. I aspired to be the female version of him (though I have to honestly say I read a Scudder novel recently and could not get through it--so obviously, I was in some kind of angsty phase).

And then the BEST thing happened to me. I decided to write something different. And though my group at the time said the characters were amazing, my writing was off my rhythm. I had to learn a whole new rhythm for writing that was not noir. I had to endure criticism after hearing years of "you are a very talented young writer." I had to figure out if I was going to continue to write in my comfort zone forever, accumulating praise or try something else.

Time went on. I formed my current writing group 16 years ago, give or take. Over the years, I've tried my hand at a screenplay, a one-act play, YA, chick lit (I prefer the term "comedies"), and now a thriller. I've written short stories when I was stuck. And Oldest Daughter found a folder of my old poetry this week and told me, flat-out, she thinks that is my BEST writing ever and I should write a poetry collection.

I realize now that my progress as a writer has been marked by trying something new . . . feeling like I have conquered it (or at least learned the rules, tried on a voice, something), and then SEEKING out something new to make me feel off-kilter and grow again. Then, when I return to something I am familiar with, like a muscle that's been stretched and tightened, I bring a new perspective and insights. Characters are characters, after all.

I sometimes watch other writers essentially tinker with the same character over and over again, just in different books or different settings. It's funny, but I started a book two months ago--even got my agent all excited about it. But I realize I was returning to old territory, so if it's not fresh to me, then there's no point. So now it's about taking the same plot (it's a good idea) and seeing what I can do with it that goes deeper, smarter, leaner, whatever.

I hope he guesses I mean him, but I beta read for a friend and it was a new genre for him. I had some criticisms and some positives. But I forgot to give him a big bravo for trying something on for size.

So here's my best bit of advice for your morning cup of java. You want to improve as a writer? Turn your writing world upside down every once in a while. And for heaven's sake . . . don't keep seeking out the praise. It's an addiction and after a while, it'll poison your writing.

Half a cent for Tuesday. Thoughts?

24 comments:

Stephen Parrish 8:54 AM, June 09, 2009  

I can see you writing poetry. Wouldn't it be nice if it paid?

Erica Orloff 8:57 AM, June 09, 2009  

Stephen:
That's what I told her. "I have a family to support." But as a musician . . . she thinks about art--so she told me it shouldn't matter. And it really shouldn't.

E

Jon VanZile 9:01 AM, June 09, 2009  

Timely post for me. As you know, I've been essentially tinkering with the same set-up, same basic outline, similar characters and same genre for the past three books, with a few detours here and there. Last night, I was thinking it's time for me to break out and try something else, but ...

I feel this repetition has been necessary. Two reasons: first, by repeating the same steps over and over, I've been able to concentrate on learning new skills that I needed to learn, such as editing, revision, characterization; and second, this is the story that has moved me and I have yet to nail it. I feel like it's important that I get this one right before I can take all these new skills to another genre and age group.

Personally, I'm excited to try something new and move on, but I also think there's definitely something to be said for mastering a particular genre and form.

Erica Orloff 9:04 AM, June 09, 2009  

Lurker:
I 100% agree with you. Even more so because I see these huge leaps in emotional story arcs with each book you do . . . it's not the "same" at all. Same genre maybe. But Jesus, you're inventive. None of them, really, are like the others. And look . . . I think my comedies today are world's removed from my comedies of five years ago. I think I meant this post more in terms of stagnation.

E

Kath Calarco 9:08 AM, June 09, 2009  

Erica, your ability to try different things is what keeps your writing prolific, as well as thought provoking. Edgy becomes you.

P.S. Please write a "noir" novel.

Erica Orloff 9:10 AM, June 09, 2009  

Kath:
The Roofer was noir. And I have four chapters of one that I keep going back to, so who knows? Now it's becoming for me . . . what NEW things do I have to say in this world?

E

Mark Terry 9:24 AM, June 09, 2009  

I think trying something new is one of the best things you can do. Sometimes it's just like blowing the cobwebs out. I also think writers have a tendency to fall back on their tried-and-true techniques. I'm reminded of an interview I heard once with Michael J. Fox where he made a comment about a certain "3/4 turn and grin" technique that he has--you can just see him doing that, can't you?--and how it was good to take on roles where he didn't get to use that.

One of the things I've enjoyed about playing around with MG fantasy and now SF is simply that it requires some new techniques, or at least, new emphasis on things that haven't been required (in theory) my nonfiction or my published thrillers.

Some of it just may be growth in my part, I hope. I'm starting to appreciate certain types of writing now in a way that I didn't five or ten years ago.

Erica Orloff 9:32 AM, June 09, 2009  

Mark:
I've been saying on the blog that the thriller I am playing with has taught me more about pacing than anything else I've ever tried my hand at. And I would say writing romantic comedies, where banter is a huge part of the attraction, has taught me more about dialogue.

E

Jude Hardin 9:44 AM, June 09, 2009  

I think you have to write what you love. I don't think I could write a romance, or sci-fi, or erotica, or a western...because I'm just not into those genres. I mean, I could fake it, I guess, but I think it would show. You know?

Erica Orloff 9:50 AM, June 09, 2009  

Jude;
I agree. I mean, I would never attempt sci-fi. But I think, as I was commenting about noir or about Jon's YAs and MG, you can return to the same genre without it being "the same." It's the eternal learning process . . . stretching . . . taking RISKS.

E

Spy Scribbler 10:19 AM, June 09, 2009  

I just did a Victorian novella with quite a different style of writing. Hugely different. I'm glad I did it, and I can definitely see how it was good to stretch, but I'm not sure I'd do it again. It's good to experiment, though!

I have one "voice" that I really believe is my best and strongest voice, and yet I never write a story appropriate for that voice. So I never use it. Some day a story is going to hit me for it, I hope.

Melanie Hooyenga 10:30 AM, June 09, 2009  

I think part of the reason I'm so anxious to finish writing my other novel/wip/whatever is that the setting is completely opposite of my current story. I'm getting tired of desert, dirt, and hot (like my life now) -- I want to write about my little Michigan town. :)

The storylines are also completely different, and one POV has a bit of YA in it, so again, very different for me.

Erica Orloff 10:33 AM, June 09, 2009  

Hi Spy:
I love it when we find the stories that fit the voice! I know it will come to you someday.

E
P.S. Miss your blog!!!

Erica Orloff 10:34 AM, June 09, 2009  

melanie:
I think that's why I sometimes take breaks from one genre or another. It's fun to shake the dust loose and try something new.
E

Kath Calarco 10:58 AM, June 09, 2009  

I imagine the four chapters you have in your newest noir are even more noir than Roofer. :)

I like noirs so noir that I can hardly see...

Erica Orloff 11:06 AM, June 09, 2009  

Kath:
Put it this way, there's a "stew" in chapter two that has human parts.

E

Jude Hardin 11:35 AM, June 09, 2009  

...there's a "stew" in chapter two that has human parts.

Sounds like horror to me. Are you sure you haven't been taking lessons from our friend Mr. Konrath?

Erica Orloff 11:41 AM, June 09, 2009  

Jude:
Nah. Firmly noir. It's a hitman thing. :-)

And the stew occurs "off camera." No torture porn. LOL!

E

Ewoh Nairb 12:48 PM, June 09, 2009  

I just got back from a writer's retreat in the Catskill mountains with 4 other writers. Victorian house complete with creaky floors and its own ghost. While there I got clear that writing in different genres is really good for the exact reasons you gave: it helps to bring in the fresh to places that may be somewhat stale.

So, once I finish the draft of my WIP (yes, that one Erica), it is off to editing island. Then I start on my new project: a children's book that heartily approved of by my co-retreaters :)

I'll be sending you updates as I progress. I think you'll like where the story turned :)

Erica Orloff 12:58 PM, June 09, 2009  

Hey Ewoh:
I am so glad you got to go to a retreat. VERY exciting!!!

E

Ewoh Nairb 2:41 PM, June 09, 2009  

Thanks Erica. Being there, with Heather Brewer, Ty Drago, Amy King and Jackie Kessler was astounding. What an amazing group of writers to be spending a long working weekend with. I definetly got my butt kicked and threw down a LOT of words.

Now I need to figure/find out how to do a story-board for a children's book. This is going to get really interesting :)

Stephen Parrish 5:08 PM, June 09, 2009  

I mean, I would never attempt sci-fi.

I think you should reconsider. Your take would probably be offbeat (Vonnegut was considered a science fiction writer by some early critics), but you are capable of exploring the genre.

Erica Orloff 7:57 AM, June 10, 2009  

Stephen:
I could do some sort of weird dystopic future, but not sci-fi planetary/kingdoms. I wrote a short story this year about a future with a weird pandemic . . . .

E

Amy Sue Nathan 9:33 AM, June 10, 2009  

A good friend of mine, a writer who I met online of course, just started shaking it up with poetry during national poetry month, and now she has a website you might enjoy.

www.voxpoetica.com

Shaking it up is always good - and I have not done that in a long time.


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