Thursday, October 16, 2008

Clutter

It's no secret that I have a problem with clutter. I now pretty much accept that my life is a binge and purge of clutter. Accumulate crap on tops of desks and tables. Reach a point where I can't take it anymore. Grab a trash bag and throw it all out. (Unless it's paper, then it gets recycled--at least I am a green clutterer.) Every book on organization, every Clutter Guru will tell you this is an absolutely horrendous way to deal with clutter. But, in fact, after years of this, I give up. It's how I am. Surprisingly, though, my writing is usually so lean that I have to ADD pages and details when my books finally get to an editor. There isn't any clutter in my writing.

Years ago, in my writers' group, when we were comprised of different members, one guy and I got into a pretty heated discussion about dialogue. It was the opening chapter to Spanish Disco, and since the book sold with the dialogue in place, I like to think I "won." But in reality, the concept we were arguing about apparently bears repeating if the dialogue someone else (he knows who he is) shared with me recently from a book he is editing is any indication.

Basically, the book opens with a bit of dialogue, and the push and pull of the sexual tension between the two (it's transatlantic, over the phone) is pretty obvious, and for the most part, that was all I wanted from the scene. The other member wanted me to clutter up the dialogue with something along these lines:

"Hi, it's me, Michael, your favorite author, who happens to live in England, while you, in fact, live in Florida."
"Michael, as your book editor for the last five years ever since I got out of NYU's graduate school where I studied English Literature (and, of course I went there since I am actually a native New Yorker), I know you must be calling me about your latest case of writers' block."

In reality, no one talks like that. While writing coaches and editors (myself included) will often tell writers to insert back story into dialogue rather than dump it in scenes--we don't intend for anyone to do it with the idea that it will clutter the dialogue. When I pick up the phone, if it's someone I am intimately acquainted with, I know who they are before they identify themselves. In the case of the above, you find out later that Cassie never--ever--answers the telephone. (Interestingly, neither do I!) EXCEPT for this man. So of course she would know who he is. Dialogue with all the details filled in feels hopelessly unnatural.

But I think maybe it's also a case of being absolutely sure what you WANT out of every bit of dialogue and every scene. If it's not important to know x or y right now, don't clutter. You can find out the details later. If your writing is crisp enough and clever enough, the dialogue solid, the scene interesting, readers will fill in gaps. They'll have a little patience. They'll wait for the small reveals as they come along.

I can think of one book where I gave a description of a woman--just a couple of details. At the time--again, what did I want from the scene--her height was unimportant for readers to know. Later, when she was arguing with her best friend, she argued into his chest--then you found out she was short. The scenes were chapters apart. It's fine.

What function does your scene or dialogue serve? Then take a garbage bag and purge the rest.

Thoughts?

22 comments:

Mark Terry 7:48 AM, October 16, 2008  

I can think of a lot of ways to fix that problem without actually having the characters stick all that crap in the dialogue.

Amy Sue Nathan 7:59 AM, October 16, 2008  

For me, dialogue is a way to move a scene along quickly - to bring humor - to have the MC have realizations brought on by someone else, not herself. This WIP is written in first person, and I have taken heed NOT to dump backstory into conversations between characters because they are old friends. For me it's a way to light another train of thought and to add movement.

I have plenty 'o backstory clutter already dumped, but it wasn't in dialogue.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if writers could recycle all their backstories into one conglomerate story. Think of that crazy book!

Erica Orloff 8:05 AM, October 16, 2008  

mark:
Me too. Actually, I think the way I did it worked fine--the book sold in three months. :-)

But yesterday JVZ showed me some dialogue from a book he was editing and it was . . . UNREAL. And I used to read submissions that came in slush . . . and . . . it's like what you think is obvious/second nature . . . apparently, a lot of writers didn't get that memo. :-)
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Erica Orloff 8:05 AM, October 16, 2008  

Amy:
LOL! I have TONS of back story we could use. ;-)
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Jude Hardin 8:28 AM, October 16, 2008  

If your writing is crisp enough and clever enough, the dialogue solid, the scene interesting, readers will fill in gaps.

Bull's-eye.

But nearly all the commercial fiction I read has plenty o' clutter in one form or another.

So I'm thinking I need to join the club and add some tiresome minutiae and mindless chatter so I too can be a bestselling author.

Erica Orloff 8:32 AM, October 16, 2008  

Jude:

I know it's a fine line. You can get so spare that . . . it's almost device-y. Or it lacks enough interest--and genre depends on it too. I found myself putting in a lot more details in my middle-grade fantasy because of worldbuilding.

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Melanie Hooyenga 10:40 AM, October 16, 2008  

Great post Erica. it makes me feel better than even though I'm still new at this, even I know not to over explain in my dialogue. It's much better to challenge the reader and make them think.

Erica Orloff 10:50 AM, October 16, 2008  

melanie:
I agree. I just feel like . . . you have to mirror real life. If the back story is going in there, it's got to be subtle.

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Robin 11:20 AM, October 16, 2008  

Erica, that dialogue made me laugh. It was though my son walked in the door and I said, "Hi Kevin, my fifteen year old son with whom I have a very close relationship. How was your day?" I see a whole new career opening up doing stand up for writers conventions....

Stephen Parrish 11:21 AM, October 16, 2008  

Dialogue happens when characters talk.

Erica Orloff 11:45 AM, October 16, 2008  

robin:
LOL! You really COULD do writing stand-up.

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Erica Orloff 11:46 AM, October 16, 2008  

stephen:
See . . . I actually disagree. CONVERSATION happens when we open our mouths and talk, or even when characters talk. My characters say a lot that doesn't end up on the page. DIALOGUE happens at the intersection of advancing the plot/movement . . . and conversation.

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Rick 1:56 PM, October 16, 2008  

Erica, you have a marvelously entertaining and informative blog! I'm so glad I found you via Zoe's site.

Erica Orloff 2:14 PM, October 16, 2008  

Hi Rick:
Thanks! We try to keep 'em happy around here.

:-)
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Spy Scribbler 4:46 PM, October 16, 2008  

Just today, when editing, I found an "As you know," in a novella I wrote a few years ago.

I may as well put a spotlight on the character and darken the rest of the stage, so they can turn and explain things to the audience. Because they sure as heck aren't talking to the other character anymore!

Erica Orloff 5:21 PM, October 16, 2008  

spy:
LOL! My gosh, but that's an awesome example.

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Spiced Apple Eye 8:19 PM, October 16, 2008  

At the conference Kirk Ellis said that his actors often come up to him and ask, "are you married to this line? Can I cut it?" Also that by the time the script has been put on screen etc, it has lost one third of its dialog.

One of my favorite movie scenes is in Tequila Sunrise when Gibson tells Pfeiffer he left the drug business and started this machinery business to get legitimacy.
"What do you need that for?"
"You."

Erica Orloff 9:13 PM, October 16, 2008  

Richmond:
Wow . . what a great line (I forgot that from Tequila Sunrise).

And great story about scripts and lines getting cut. Maybe the lesson is be married to nothing.
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Anonymous 12:01 AM, October 17, 2008  

Erica, I love writing dialogue. One of the reasons I enjoy your blog so much is it's never a free-pass over here. No matter what time of day I read your post, the ol' gray matter must move.

So for me, dialogue shows strengths and weaknesses, personality, makes characters touchable and real to a reader.

You give me brain-food, E!

Suzanne 1:44 AM, October 17, 2008  

I'm pleased to find someone else who writes short. I am always nervous I won't make the projected word count because I write very spare. I am always amazed at writers who have to delete whole chapters to meet a word count. If only.
I am a visual writer so I see entire scenes in my head and can write them down accurately but I don't hear dialogue like other writers so I write only the essential dialogue to advance the story or the character development.
Perhaps visual writers write spare and short.

Erica Orloff 7:16 AM, October 17, 2008  

ladonna:
Glad to provide a little brain munchies over here. :-)
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Erica Orloff 7:17 AM, October 17, 2008  

Suzanne:
Maybe. I think I am pretty visual versus plotting/outline-oriented.
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