Tick
You know, the older I get, the less and less I ever want to gossip. Having been quite hurt by a pretty well-known writer I'd never met spreading a falsehood about me (that was not inherently something mean--but was very false and personally hurtful to me), I know how it feels. Heck, there's not one person who, over the years, hasn't been gossiped about from grade school on. It's why I avoid my neighbors. That whole "Desperate Housewives" thing is not for me.
I can share that the feeling of people discussing you is the reason that I wish I knew then what I know now. I would most definitely have always taken a pen name. If only to gain some distance between me and my work, in a sense. Is it gossip to be reviewed? Of course not. You want as many of those as possible. But in this era of bloggers and snark, not every review remains impersonal. But you just take it in stride. Or, if you are like me, you NEVER, EVER Google yourself. And I stopped reading reviews at Amazon. In fact, I stopped reading reviews anywhere. My editors and agent call me with them sometimes (PW or Kirkus). I usually just say "good or bad?" Thank goodness they've been mostly the former.
But the real reason I bring up gossip is the whole situation in Albany, New York. If you haven't been following New York politics, New York's governor, Eliot Spitzer has apparently been a frequent customer of call girls. Expensive call girls ($4300 for two hours). Unsafe sex. Did I mention he's married and has three children? Did I mention he ALSO ran on a platform of reform, that he routinely (as attorney general) prosecuted white-collar crime and prostitution? On top of it, he's always struck people as holier than thou, rabidly vicious in his prosecutions. In short, a pr*ck. So all of New York is watching this drama, and there are calls for his impeachment.
Bear with me . . . I'm getting to the writing. Like Senator Larry Craig, like former New Jersey governor Jim McGreevy, Spitzer issued an apology with his wife by his side. No slacker herself, she's Harvard-educated and attractive, and apparently VERY bright.
FINALLY, Orloff arrives at the writing. See, part of me hates watching this spectacle. I don't watch TV news ever (unless it's the BBC) precisely because I don't want to hear the talking heads and pundits rip this situation apart. I don't want to watch people, like vultures, pick over this life. Not because I, former New Yorker, like Spitzer. I don't. It's the human pain. BUT . . . I have to say as a writer, as this whole situation goes down, I am thinking, thinking, thinking. WHAT MAKES ALL THESE PLAYERS IN THIS DRAMA TICK? How did he think he'd never get caught? (Money laundering got him caught--no, he doesn't appear to have laundered money but the way he moved a lot of money through different accounts appeared suspicious to the banks, who alerted the IRS, who alerted the feds.) The guy is BRILLIANT by all accounts. He prosecuted white collar crime--he knows how people get caught! Okay . . . then what makes a guy have a call girl come to him the night before Valentine's Day and have unsafe sex? Creepy. What makes his wife stand by him? Because I can tell you . . . I "might" for my children stay with someone--I don't ever try to judge a woman's (or man's) decision in that regard--but I ain't gonna stand in front of the press for a photo op while he cops to this behavior. So why? Does she like being Mrs. Governor that much? (He was rumored to have wanted to be the first Jewish president of the U.S.--maybe they both had aspirations for the White House.) And then . . . the writer in me thinks of the nuclear fallout in both their lives. It's BAD ENOUGH your son-in-law is a cheating bastard. But hookers? If he and his wife stay together, what will the holidays be like? What of his daughters having to go to school?
In short . . . it's not GOSSIP I want at all. That makes me feel queasy. I don't want to delight in someone's pain. But it's really wishing I could delve into the psyches of the players. Some cases, like the Scott Peterson murder trial, rivet me that way. Because as I delve, I think, "There's a future book here. There's something in this near-Greek tragedy that's usuable as writer." It's not the salacious details I want--I really DON'T want to know exactly what $4300 for two hours buys you. It's what makes all these people in this situation TICK.
So tell me . . . do certain news stories or human dramas fascinate you as a writer? Do you think of characters as you are watching them unfold? Do you like gossip? (You can 'fess up here--hey. some people like their People magazine.) Do you want to know, as a writer, what makes people TICK?

38 comments:
I haven't enjoyed the Spitzer story at all. But I keep studying his wife's face in photos from the press conference, asking myself, "What are you thinking?" She just doesn't seem to be doing that stiff-upper-lip-I'm-gonna-gut-you-like-a-trout-when-we-get-back-home thing like, say, Hillary Clinton seemed to be doing way back when.
Of course, as a novelist, I'm going through a lot of scenarios--maybe the prostitutes were for her, for them, maybe...
Maybe it's just the same old, same old sordid story about power and corruption and hypocrisy and the ones that protest the most, especially about sex, are covering up.
(And really, I've had some great sex over the years and I like sex, but if asked to put a dollar amount on it, I'm not sure $4300 would be in the ballpark).
There has been some really intense news coverage here in Michigan about a murder case (Tara Grant) where her husband strangled her to death in front of his kids, then cut up her body and left part of it in the garage and part of it in the woods, then went a little nuts and was found in northern Michigan wandering around in the snow in his socks. It gets even more salacious in that he'd had an affair with his au pair (18 years old, I believe) and mostly I can't get away from how horrible this story is and I try to turn away, but what always gets me are photographs of Tara Grant when she was alive. And the whole thing isn't a "story" but lives just horribly, horribly ruined and destroyed.
Mark:
I know . . . again, it's not the details MOST people think of when I look at the story. It's the family drama. The in-laws, HIS parents . . . the whole other story of lives broken.
I had heard of that case you referenced. Another one that's all larger than life, but at its heart was a real woman, a real victim.
We writers always have truth in our books--or they wouldn't ring true. So I often find these news stories are often about the worst of humans and the best, and those extremes are what we can use in our writing.
E
I really despise the entire "stand by your man during an adultry confession" fad.
There are no words...
But I'm with you. I'm fascinated by the question of why, not intrigued because it is ugly gossip.
I try not to listen to it. I've heard some, I have to admit that. I feel the worst for the kids.
I've only just gotten back into creative writing. I can see where a lot of the news bits could add depth or dimension to a story or a character.
I like Mark's spin on it, perhaps it was for both of them. Especially when you bring in the Valentine thing.
Most of the local news stories around here are about how yet one more child's life was taken at the hands of their parent(s). It makes me sick! I can't watch it. So, I choose not to watch anything but the weather. Thank goodness for remote control.
Take care!
I'm in NJ so its all over the place here. Every paper on the news station, every channel and everyone's talking about it. Yeesh!
I think I wonder what is going through their minds. I have to figure this out. If I could ask what I wanted to ask it would be:
Why?
Why couldn't you cover your tracks a little better?
Why didn't you just use the ATM?
Is this about power? Over the law? the press? women?
Did you think about your wife and kids when you did this?
And what the heck kind of sex act could be worth $4300??? (I'm really confused over that one)
I want to know this so I can see what makes a person like this tick? I'm curious about him as a character in a book. I guess it comes down to motivation? A lot of news stories make me curious and I want to know the whys.
I think his wife must be in shock right now and because I'm involved in politics I know the good old boys were coaching her that this was the right thing to do. The upper party peeps are doing damage control right now to protect the party's image. She's in shock so she's taking their advice right now. Just wait. She'll find her feet, get over the shock and then her real thoughts will come through.
I still gotta wonder why he didn't just use the ATM.
Heather:
I don't have a negative reaction to her . . . I know the reasons people stay together are complex. But the very public solidarity is what's . . . I don't know . . . sad. She should be spending the time trying to come to grips with it--if she didn't know. And as Mark brought out, who knows?
E
Hi Muse:
That's why I don't watch the news. It's bad enough to read it . . . without SEEING people's emotional upset.
E
Aimless:
Thanks for the NJ perspective. ;-)
And yeah, what does $4300 buy? Do I even WANNA know?!
I had a very close friend who worked as a callgirl. Expensive. The rich and famous, boldface name New Yorkers often had the most unusual . . . requests.
E
I don't look poorly on the women standing by their men. I think my beef is with the men expecting or allowing their wives to do so. He should be protecting her from further hurt and humiliation, IMO.
But I do understand that we can not assume their reasons.
That should read...
"assume the motivation behind their reasons."
Hi Heather:
OH, YES! And I do see that, totally.
E
I was joking about running for President the other day and one of my friends said, "What kind of dirt would they dig up on you?"
"Well," I said, "I used to smoke crack cocaine."
"Really?"
"Yeah. But I didn't inhale."
I suppose most of us really do have things in our past that might be rather shameful if publicized.
I try not to be judgemental. Mostly, I don't pay much attention to celebrities' personal lives and all that paparazzi crap.
Granted, public officials should be held accountable for their actions, but what really pisses me off about the Spitzer story is that some sleazy whore is making way more money than me. ;)
Jude:
Well, at $4300, I am sure she a CLASSY one.
E
Hey, I could buy two hookers and a nice used car for that much money. A whore's a whore.
I heard Spitzer's going to resign in a few minutes. What an idiot.
The BBC rocks!!! All the other news services send so much gossip and no news. I LOVE the BBC! I actually get news of the WORLD!
I'm a Libra, unfortunately. I have great difficulty deciding on a side in a situation, simply because I can see good points in both sides. I'll go back and forth for weeks before either giving up on selecting one, or finally selecting one.
Pretty much, two things get my goat: our current Mad King George, and sexual abuse. And I don't believe in 18 age limit. Anything under 21 or 22 is appalling to me, if it's from someone in authority. I will see red, my lips curl back, and I'll go in a furious rage. When they made a guy a dean in my college who was dating an 18 year old student, I refused to see him.
Other than that, sex (other than rape and unconsensual sex in any form ...) doesn't bother me. I do wish prostitution were legalized, with monthly check-ups and, of course, condoms.
Woman who stand by their husband don't bother me, either. I don't know what happens behind closed doors. There must be a reason she's chosen to "stand by her husband" publicly, and considering how difficult the ordeal of public scandal is, I would guess that reason has nothing to do with weakness.
So with gossip, I have a tendency to believe I don't know the whole story, and I find that very unsatisfying. So yes, as you do, I think I write to fill in the gaps, to give everyone a motivation, and apply reason to life. To understand a POV I don't understand.
"FINALLY, Orloff arrives at the writing."
Erica, it continually delights me how you're such a natural storyteller. You just can't help it. It cracks me up.
Jude:
So she's one of the more crass names you could call someone in that profession and he's just an "idiot"?
I don't know every prostitute's story, but I've known a few in my life, and they always had a story that made me very sad. So I don't refer to them that way.
In any case, I find his hubris fascinating.
E
Hi Spy:
I hear you. I really, really do. We make more, as a society, over sex than we do violence, often.
E
So she's one of the more crass names you could call someone in that profession and he's just an "idiot"?
You're right. They're both sleazy whores. ;)
Like I said, I try not to be judgemental. I was just trying to put a little humorous spin on it. Sorry if it came off as crass.
I'll never be the one to cast the first stone, because I'm definitely not without sin.
I don't really follow the news that much (I like happy news and you don't see a lot of that on TV these days) but after getting a massive number of hits to my blog yesterday seaching the name "Kristen" - I pretty quickly figured out it wasn't actually me they were looking for, but the first call girl involved in this. What do people think they're going to find by searching someone's alias? Seriously. Get a life.
Hi kristin:
You mean you're not her? LOL!
E
I... I just don't want to know what happened, or who did it. The why of it all is interesting so far as to see what stories the people made up for their reasons for doing (or not) whatever it was that they did (or didn't) do.
All the reasons, justifications and drama of what lead them to their present situation is just meanings and stories they made up about things that happened to or about them in their lives. It is all stuff that happened in the past, that is controlling their future, by filtering everything in their life through that story - and by what they made it mean to themselves.
To see what it means to them, is to get the why of it all... and that is something we may never know, but it is interesting to speculate on.
The rest is drama - great for a fiction story, useless for real life.
ewoh:
Precisely. There are some stories that don't rivet me so much for . . . the story, but the players and how they can maybe shade and color my fiction.
E
There are several interesting aspects of this story. $4300 is a LOT of money for a romp. Where I live prostitution is legal and girls advertise themselves in the newspapers. Three hundred bucks will buy a very attractive house caller. I wonder if the additional four grand Spitzer paid was to leave off the raincoat.
Turns out it's a federal offense to transport a prostitute across state lines. Who would have guessed. So if you pick someone up in south Manhattan and drive through the Holland Tunnel you're wanted by the FBI.
Finally, the wife. Her expression. The way she watched him during his press conference. That's the most interesting aspect of this whole thing.
My need to know what makes people tick is the whole reason I write and a huge factor in why and what i read.
What baffles me is how such an intelligent, well-educated, former attorney general who should be more knowledgable about the law than the average citizen - how in the hell did he get caught? Either he wanted to get caught or he thought he was so insulated he never would. Either way, he was stupid.
As for his wife, I think Hillary set a high bar for wives of cheaters. She may have stood by her man, but she made it plain that he would be paying for it for a very long time and that the price he would pay for his indiscretions would be extremely high.
I find it all perplexing.
stephen:
Actually, some of the highest-prices are paid for "unusual" requests so you're probably not far off.
E
Travis--
EXACTLY!
E
anti-wife:
Perplexing indeed. But that's what's so interesting from a fiction/motivation point of view.
E
I find the whole Spitzer drama painful and detestable to watch because I think he is a hypocrite and I think it is extremely sad that this happened.
Butwhen you talk about regular old gossip, I find it incredibly fascinating. I usually don't like to hear gossip in general because I like to mind my own business. But everyonce in awhile you will hear of some incredible story and it becomes really interesting to dissect the players, the reasons, the excuses and why it all happened.
One note; a few years back Spitzer worked to get tougher sentences for the "johns" in this situation. His take on it was if the sentences were stiffer then the johns would be less likely to indulge.
So, in effect- he worked to give himself a harder sentence...
Is that Karma or what???
Well, that's one way to weed out potential Presidential candidates, eh?
I'm glad our local news isn't carrying it too much though.
It was odd that our Democratically inclined local paper made no mention that he was a Democrat until the last sentence of the story on an inside page when they whispered, "he was one of Clinton's superdelegates."
The simple answer is that power corrupts...and absolute power...
Guys like this think they won't be brought down. Karma caught up with Spitzer in this life.
ello:
In "real life," I try like heck to avoid it, even going so far, sometimes, as to say, "I really don't want to hear x or y"--but in tersm of grand dramas/Greek tragedies, the players are interesting to examine.
aimless:
That's actually kind of funny.
And, since he's supposedly been at this ten years--even MORE fascinating as to what makes someone like that tick.
E
Hi JLK:
Actually, in a lot of the coverage, it's only been mentioned in passing, I think because, in all honesty, it's a LOT more important in the Senate than in Albany. In the Senate (like with Larry Craig), if it gets tossed back to election or special election, it has the possibility of changing the vote layout.
As for hubris--yeah . . . I am positive he thought he was too clever. And for every person who writes a thriller or mystery . . . 99% of the time, that's the villain's trait too.
E
Hey Erica, I'd read the "good" reviews on Amazon (you can always click the higher stars only. 3 stars and up aren't likely to be hateful. Though 3 stars is likely to include some probably instructive criticism) And I'd get most of my "bad" feedback from critique partners who didn't just have an ax to grind.
Sometimes I'm unclear on where the line for "Gossip" is. I try not to do it. I try not to listen to it. But there is always this really wavy line. Where does something go from just a discussion to "personal gossip?"
Mark, I like the angle of "maybe the prostitutes were for her, for them" That would make an interesting story. A guy in public life caught in this way, who was actually buying the prostitutes for his wife, and he just liked to watch. Turning him from sleazy to somehow noble and gallant. That's a story I'd read.
As for the Spitzer story, I get the hypocrisy in his actions and his platform. But at the same time I'm one of those people who REALLY thinks other people's sex lives aren't my business. Whether they are illicit or not, "illegal" or not. I don't think it has anything to do with anything. Like the whole Monica scandal? Couldn't care less. And got really tired of hearing about it.
I don't think members of public life are supposed to be held to a "higher standard" in things like this, but that's just me. What people do sexually in private is their own business, whether it's "wrong" behavior or not. It's their issue to work out and having a thousand cameras on you and microphones in your face doesn't help anyone work out said issues.
zoe:
I can agree with you. I think in THIS case, the fact that he was a pr*ck of a prosecutor who refused to compromise with anyone, factors into it. The NY politics of it is a big factor. You want to hire a call girl and cheat, a lot of that is your own business. You want to have sex with a goat, whatever. But grandstand on the politics of cleaning up a city and prosecuting johns and callgirls and be doing this as you're prosecuting and I think for a lot of people, the gloves come off.
Erica,
I agree that it's a little different in this situation. At the same time though, we often see this kind of hypocrisy in people who are in heavy denial or feel a lot of guilt or fear or shame over something.
Maybe in punishing all those other people involved in prostitution, he was somehow trying to punish himself. A lot of people have said he "wanted to get caught." I think he felt a lot of shame for what he was doing, and as a result redoubled his efforts to "clean up the city" hoping he'd get caught and punished too.
zoe:
I agree. I think, again . . . my blog title, TICK . . . it's actually a fascinating study of what makes a person tick . . . very complex.
E
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