Not Ready To Hear It
I was recently asked for some advice . . . and I inadvertently gave too much advice. And the response was "she's not ready to hear that yet." And that was likely true and my fault because I didn't gage the circumstances correctly. Sometimes you can have a depth of knowledge--on any subject--and just go on and on without really ascertaining if that's how much information the person you are talking to wants. A good sign that it's too much--the eyes glaze over.
Of course, the best humorous example is the apocryphal joke. A mother has been worrying for some time about the day her child asks about the birds and the bees. She studies books about precisely how to handle this. Yet still she worries. Finally, the little child is 5 and asks, "Where did I come from?" Mom whips out charts and pictures and diagrams and uses all the anatomically correct words. And the little kindergartener walks away, shaking his head and muttering, "But Billy's from California . . ."
As a writer, and as an editor, I get asked ALL the time to give critiques. I usually do my homework first and check out from the referral if the person is really ready to be critiqued. I don't want to waste my time (or in some cases, THEIR money) creating a critique only to have the person not even ackowledge what I've said, with a "I guess it wasn't your thing," or "I know my character so it has to be that way." And that's it. You've paid for a 10-page comprehensive critique and THAT is all you have to say? Or you've sought me out through cyber connections asking for a favor and "I guess you don't get my writing" is all you have to say?
You know that idea that the recipient's eyes glaze over when you tell them too much? That's a sign youve spoken to much. But not being ready to be published also has signs.
If your FIRST inclination is to defend every aspect of your work . . . you are simply and 100% "not ready" for the big show. Period. Get real with yourself. Real honest. Think about this. If your FIRST inclination is to explain to people why they are wrong, you aren't ready. Not for real publication. If your face says one thing when you hear criticism, but your stomach knots with a small flash of anger or you tense up . . . you're not ready. It means you didn't ask for criticism with any openness, ready to accept some insight. And that's the first sign of someone not ready.
I am not talking about criticism delivered with snarky nastiness, or criticism tossed out by a contest judge with a superiority complex. I am talking about SEEKING out criticism from trusted sources and then somehow by process of elimination only retaining your fans.
Trust me. When you GET a professional editor, they will put you through the writing paces. So it's all practice for the big show. My editors, by virtue of PAYING ME to write and having me on their list, are my biggest professional fans. They also make me work harder than anyone else.
Last night, I had a talk with a friend of mine (you know who you are). It was actually a continuation of an email I'd sent him yesterday. The short version is I had submitted a proposal to one of my favorite editors. She liked it but said, "If you REALLY want this to be the kind of book that gets people talking, that is a book club book, there has to be more depth--it can't ONLY be about a cold case and ONLY be about feminist history." I heard her. But for a year now, the book has sat at page 167. And unfinished life. I had walked around that book backwards and forwards, dreamt about it, did a rewrite and STILL . . . I couldn't fathom how or where I was going to go deeper. Last week, I had pretty much made up my mind to change the main character to a less passive person. But I also know while that may have been necessary, that wasn't anywhere NEAR what the editor meant. And then yesterday . . . I got an idea. I got one of those ideas that is a viper's nest. That you KNOW is precisely the depth required (and I am talking huge) . . . and will mean, basically, a total 100% deconstuction of every single scene and word. It will mean the hard work, the really hard, why am I taking this on, kind of work. And yet, the change for my story to one with elements of lesbian history in the U.S. will add a depth and a complexity and then the change to a commune and a different kind of crime will add a darkness to the cold case. It will change everything. I know it's the fix. It is the atomic bomb of fixes.
And I never would have, a year later, even salvaged what I feel is the best book of my career, had I not been open. And had I also not lived with the knowledge and owned it for a year. My response to my editor was an internal "she may be right." I never tensed. It didn't pain me. I didn't feel defensive. I was ready to hear it, even if I didn't have the fix.
In the course of my writing life, I meet so many open and wonderful writers. I adore them! And amongst the ones I am closest to, it almost becomes this knowing nod, or this exchanged glance, and for a few of you, it's been an exchange of emails between us, that moment, of "yeah, he really isn't ready" or "she really is SO defensive, I should have warned you." And you can know in these glances what is unsaid. They're not ready.
Thoughts?

27 comments:
Sigh, there's nothing to offer. I can't shut up the inner critic that keeps telling me this is stupid, don't you dare put those words on the screen. So my page 167 is 25K words when the critic becomes hysterical and too loud to ignore. This is crap.
I know how it is supposed to end and where to start.
If I'm getting feedback from several beta readers, I'll usually go with the majority. If only one person is having trouble with a particular section or whatever, I'll consider what s/he has to say, but I'll usually figure it has more to do with him/her than with the writing.
Unless the one reader is Neil Nyren or someone. :)
I find critiques to be a relief, Erica. That's the only emotion I feel: Thank God, because I know how I can make it better. But then I don't let anyone critique me until it's done and I've gone through it several times.
In musical composition, you have to be ready to answer the questions: Why did you do that? and What are you trying to say here? If I can't answer those questions, I'm not wasting someone's time. Plus I will write to please someone. You have no idea. I will write a whole book perfectly tailored for one reader. I have to defend myself from myself, LOL.
It's funny ... I've come to believe that being ready isn't about the book. It's about you. When you're ready--really gut ready, really open--the book will be there.
Everything else is technique (and let's face it, that never ends).
Hi Richmond:
Why do we do this to ourselves.
;-)
I mean that kiddingly. And then not, because if it's your calling . . . then you just keep at it despite that nasty inner critic.
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Jude:
I think that's a good approach as long as you (and I don't mean YOU but all of us) don't gravitate toward beta readers who are only our fans . . .
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spy:
My Oldest Daughter is her own most relentless critic, I think. She has a great professor this year, though . . . it's been wonderful.
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LurkerMonkey:
I don't think I really saw that until the last two years. Suddenly, for whatever reason, I saw two or three writers I knew who . . . relentlessly refused to believe that anything was wrong with their work and it was all that the readers they asked for feedback from just were clueless (despite my knowing these readers and knowing that wasn't the case). And suddenly I saw this very PETULANT personality type. And I firmly believe that these writers will remain at a plateau. A high plateau. Nearly there. But not ready . . . until they can drop that foot-stamping, childlike stubborn streak.
You know, I now see ALL the flaws in my book. I don't even think I was ready to see them until I went through a kind of writing purgatory this year where nothin' I was working on was gelling for me.
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It is a fine balance. I don't tend to get defensive, but I do often put the entire thing down for a week or so and come back to it with a fresh eye.
Part of it is knowing your critiquers. Each of mine have their strengths and weaknesses, sometimes betrayed by their writing, sometimes betrayed by "rules" they follow that simply don't work for me.
For instance, I have one reader who insists I "set the scene" in the first paragraph of every scene or chapter. Drives me crazy. (Literally she wants a first sentence like: "I walked down 1st Avenue with Mark, the sun beating the top of my head.")
I suspected doing that would made the rhythm of books really boring. I mean, heck, if Mark and I are having an argument, maybe I'd like a catchy line of dialogue to kick off the scene instead.
But, I gave her a fair shot. Maybe it was a real weakness of mine. So I finally looked around at many books and found examples of scene setting happening as far away as the next page!
So now I ignore her on that and use my own best judgment. However, that same critter is brilliant with logic and details, like "he was holding a coffee cup and now it's gone." So finding critters strengths and using them is important.
I do get the whole "not ready" scenario of some writers. I've been critting someone for ages and they never change what they do. Plus, they tend to repeat back the same things I said in reference to my writing when they're feeling defensive. Then I always have someone else in the group come back to me privately and say, "They're wrong, btw. That's not a problem in your work."
Frustrating.
I only show my work when I am ready for feedback. When I'm still too close to it, I keep it private. My favorite critiques are the ones that weave through my pages with yays and nays, with I get this and I don't get that, I need more, get rid of this...and why.
I'm sure this is the kind of critique you give - which some people don't realize is much different than a copy edit. And that's great too. But content and story feedback and critiques are invaluable - whether they're free or paid for.
Sorry that person did not see or appreciate the value.
Well, I appreciated your insights into Monster Seeker and have spent some time trying different things. I started adding a chapter at the beginning in the 3rd person, thinking to change the whole thing to third, but I'm not sure it worked--it didn't feel right, anyway--so I rewrote it in first and it seems to work and do a better job of establishing the character and his voice. Now I'm considering another chapter that gets him outside at night and what he's seeing and doing before things go to hell.
Do I take all criticism that well? Uh, no. But that may have to do with where I am in my life, my writing, and perhaps, what my current relationship is with the person giving the criticism (or how they give it or don't give it, as the case may be).
Sex Scenes:
I totally hear you on how you learn the strength and weaknesses of critiquers. Trust me, I myself am might miss catches of continuity in a group setting. However, characterization . . . or dialogue . . . motivation . . . I feel like I offer strength there.
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Amy:
It doesn't bother me . . . I see the defense mechanism at hand. And for every result like that are 50 people who have ah-ha moments. I just definitely think how people handle feedback is a really good benchmark on their growth as a writer.
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Mark:
I have never felt like you didn't take criticism well. You strike me as a "Let me ponder that" kind of guy. I think a great reaction is not someone saying "You are a goddess or god of critiques" so much as, "Hmm . . . you know, let me think about it." None of us can rewrite for anyone, so whatever criticism a person is going to absorb really has to be mulled over and then made their own.
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Erica, can I just roll around at your feet, soaking up your wisdom?
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around any writer getting detailed feedback and just saying, "Eh, you don't get it"... I know it happens, it's just such a waste, for everyone involved.
I'm always a little nervous the first time I critique for someone, because I tend to point out everything (good and bad). When you do get one of those people who really only wanted a fan, there's just nothing you can say - anything less than "I'm astounded by your brilliance" is only going to annoy them, or they'll discount it entirely. Luckily, there are far more writers interested in a real critique than the other kind.
For me, I like to hear everything... every single thing a critiquer can point out. When someone gets back to me with, "it's all great" and very little feedback if any, I stop asking them to read. It doesn't do either of us any good and I don't trust those critiques. (The people are generally wonderful, maybe they're worried about being unsupportive or maybe they just don't see it in a critical enough eye, but either way, it's not helpful as far as making the novel stronger)
On the other end of the spectrum, though, I tend to take every critique seriously, and at least try out their feedback to see if it improves the whole. The problem here is that not every writer's feedback fits the writing. For a while there, it squelched my own voice, and I couldn't figure out what exactly was missing or what I'd lost. I was trying not only to master all of the rules (ha) and mechanics but, I think, spending too much time 'improving' without really listening the my writer's ear.
That, too, comes with confidence. It took me a while to get back to center, but I have a better understanding of why my voice works the way it does, when it's okay to abandon 'the rules' for the sake of the story, and when I'm just stroking my own ego in love with my words instead of being true to the story.
As far as fans, I can't work with them. I've found a few crit partners who are both supportive and blatantly honest. I'm always on the lookout for a few more, but I think that's kind of like a marriage. It's harder to find than you'd think, sometimes, and it has to be mutual.
Great post, Erica. I had to read it twice before I got my thoughts together to write down, and still I rambled... eeeesh, I swear, my fiction's way more focused than my comments :-)
I get a gut feeling when I hear advice. Sometimes I know the criticism is right. Other times I'll ponder it. I have great CPs, and I consider everything they say.
Your post came at a funny time. Just this morning I advised a writer to use "he said" instead of "he explained," etc. She emailed me back with a reason why she does that. After another email from me, she agreed, but I didn't believe her. She wasn't ready for my advice.
melanie:
I feel like I roll around all YOU guys.
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Merry:
I thought you raised some great points. What I really like was what you said about the feedback maybe not fitting the writing. I used to have a guy in my critique group AGES ago who used to want to critique everything, I think, like I was writing someone else's book, because it wasn't mine. He was a more old-fashioned writer, so the way I do my dialogue drove him nuts. He felt like I needed TONS more information in my dialogue and a lot more back story overall. After a while, I realized he just liked slower-paced works with tons of detail, which is just not "me."
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Edie:
I think there should only be so much give and take, unless you are with a close-knit group trying to work through some of your core book issues . . . otherwise, it's just sometimes the debate for that other writer to be able to justify instead of "take what works, leave the rest" about the critique.
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I think if someone asks for advice they should be prepared to hear it. And when I'm looking for advice, I request it from someone whom I know is equipped to give well thought out answers, even if they give more than I want. That's a bonus. :)
Same goes for crit partners and beta readers. I'll ask people whom I know are well equipped to give me what I want: THE TRUTH. If I want someone to agree with me, I'll just tell myself I'm great. :)
I think that sadly the majority of people are closed minded and can't handle advice - they get all snarly and tell you "Well, that's YOUR opinion," or, "Sorry it wasn't your cuppa tea," even if good stuff was pointed out - only the stuff they disagree with is commented on. No, "Thanks for the compliment," or "Glad you saw what I was trying to do..."
Am I ranting?
I often think people aren't looking for a critique as much as they are looking for validation. It takes a secure, well-grounded person to accept flaws - in themselves and in their work.
The writing often reveals how amenable the author will be to an honest critique or whether they just want you to blow smoke at them.
Kath:
I could get with you on that rant. ;-)
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Hi Anti-wife . . .
Of course, on the flip side, I have been just a firm on my blog about people who don't know how to critique, too. It's this complex two-sided relationship, I think. And yeah, no smoke-blowing allowed.
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I'm just going to add here that the best and worst part of feedback is the same...when the writer says to himself or herself, "OH SHIT, YOU'RE RIGHT!"
;)
Amy:
LOL!
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I had a post, but for some stupid reason half the time when I try to post with openID it says I need to log in and I lose my post, so I want to scream right now.
But yes, I often give people too much information, because I'm thinking about how much information I would want on a topic, and I can't be inside somebody else's brain.
I'm good in person. I can read body language well and know when to back off, but on the internet it's nearly impossible to tell when you're hitting the "eyes glaze over" point, until someone flips out on you. Then you realize you overshot.
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